Re: 604's are back they sound great.
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voice of the theater
Nice! So you're having a happy New Years after all. I didn't think you'd be able to clip/fry that receiver driving your speakers. Those duplexes are very efficient and I really don't think you'd even be able to be in the same room with them at anywhere near your amp's full output. My brother has had his HK 3390 for quite a while now and cranks his pretty loud sometimes and has never had a problem. I would recommend you be careful if you hook up a second pair of speakers to the receiver and want to run all 4 speakers at once--be sure your second pair of speakers are efficient (and check their rated power handling capacity). Since you're using a powered sub woofer the subwoofer doesn't use any wattage of course--nice that your receiver has dual subwoofer outputs. You have plenty of power to drive two pair of efficient speakers like your duplexes, but if you have an inefficient pair of speakers hooked up to the receiver you may clip the receiver trying to drive them to an extremely loud volume and that clipping is not good for either pair of speakers (and not particularly good for the amp either). No amp protection circuitry is infallible/perfect. Anyways, just a heads up about running a second pair of speakers.......
Thanks Buddy, Yeah My wallet is getting sparse until tax time, I have been researching though, Possibly some boston acoustics or Kipsch, or Jbl's or polks. I'll do a good comparison and get some new ones that can withstand the pain. Have a good New Years.
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
Somebody here (was it Todd?) had a funny saying that comes to mind "no highs, no lows, it must be Bose"..... Anyways, I did a quick Grand Rapids Michigan Craigslist search (you're listed on this forum as west coast of Michigan) and a nice pair of vintage Altecs caught my eye. Here's the link altec lansing
If they're in great shape like the seller says then IMHO $100 is a bargain for nice sounding vintage Altecs in great condition and I never pay asking price on Craigslist anyways (almost never--although I would in this case if the seller won't budge and they're in as nice of condition as he says). They're not as good as your Duplexes of course but whenever I used to run front and rear speakers I always put the best ones as my mains (fronts) and never worried if the rear speakers weren't quite as good--as long as they were great sounding speakers they didn't have to be as good as my mains. A friend of mine used to own a pair of Coronas and they were very nice sounding speakers. They handle 45 watts continuous which is about all your H.K. will be able to deliver to each speaker when you run 4 speakers at once. Not to mention they should be deafening before you get to 45 watts per speaker anyways--and even more deafening if your 604's are playing at the same time!
A quick search here on the forum yielded this comment from Bowtie (who know his Altecs and is not one to dish out complements about speakers that don't deserve it)
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bowtie427ss
Not bad speakers, i use Coronas in my paint, finish, stripping booth and they are great company and non fatiguing for that application, actually "sound great" is what visitors say.
Here's some pics of a pair of Coronas in case you decide to check them out you'll know what a pair in nice condition should look like
SEVENTIES STEREO: Altec 893A Corona photos
And some info from the Altec Library http://www.lansingheritage.org/image...ome/page23.jpg
(click to enlarge/zoom in)
These (if they're in great shape like advertised) are nice sounding speakers that won't hog all your room. I'm not saying jump on these but if they're not far from you--the guy's phone number is in the ad. Wouldn't hurt to call him and set up an audition if you're interested (if they're not too far--I've driven pretty far to get some nice Altecs). If it were me I'd tell the guy I'd like to bring my receiver over so I can listen to them on my own amp--hopefully he has a CD player or you can bring your own too and definately bring a couple CDs you're familiar with. That's how I do it but to each his own. I don't haggle over the phone either -- not until I get the the guy's house, have heard/seen the speakers, and have $75 cash (for example) I can waive at him. When you get there, be sure to crank em up (but make sure they sound good at low volumes too--if you ever listen to speakers at low volumes!) and if you like what you here and they don't blow up when you give 'em some juice--offer the guy $75--that would be a NICE bargain if they're in great condition! If nothing else, don't go to look at them but this is a good example there are some nice Altecs on Craigslist pretty regularly and there are some good bargains to be had as well. I like Craigslist because I can bring my own amp and crank up the speakers before I buy them rather than ordering new from a catalog or used from ebay and hoping when the speakers arrive they have the sound I'm looking for. But like I said, if you go to listen to them -- CRANK them up and make sure they can take the punishement and that they sound great. It's only a bargain if they sound great NOW--not a bargain if there's something wrong with them and they need repairs--I would PASS then........
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
Your alright Vott, :2thumbsup: Actually I'm shooting for some smaller mount on the wall type speakers since my couch takes up the entire wall opposite the tv wall. and theres really no where else in the room to put anything larger. The other ones I cooked were hanging on the wall right above your head as you sat on the couch and really filled in the sound.
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
Adjust-O-Port, Ok It has a pivot screw at the top inside the cabinet. This is where they sound best. all the way closed and the mids are louder but the bass drops off, Wide open its a little to bassy and the mids aren't as loud, but right here it's a perfect harmony of the two. The mids came up and the bass came into perfect tune not too boomy not non existent. Glad I did it because now I know what it means to Tune a port. I think....:o That's still with the Bass knob all the way up on the HK and the sub off. :/
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
being limited to a bass knob, or a loudness button wont get the detailed imaging possibble with your setup. it appears that the 604's in your enclosures will provide enough bass for you.. so then your system would respond greatly to nice equalizer. i prefer a 31 band eq tuned with a real time analyzer, with my 'knobs' on the stereo turned to zero gain. allways cut first, then boost.
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
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cradeldorf
Your alright Vott, :2thumbsup: Actually I'm shooting for some smaller mount on the wall type speakers since my couch takes up the entire wall opposite the tv wall. and theres really no where else in the room to put anything larger. The other ones I cooked were hanging on the wall right above your head as you sat on the couch and really filled in the sound.
Yeah, even though the Coronas are bookshelf speakers--it sounds like they'd be too big for your setup (9 1/2" deep, 12 1/4" high, 22" wide) since they'd require at least a 10 1/2" deep shelf (22" wide or 12 1/4" wide if you "stand them up") to put one on each wall on either side of your couch (if you wanted them up in the air--on the wall). Oh well, thought I'd throw you a good lead towards some nice sounding Altecs in the $75-$100 range but it's not a good lead if it doesn't work for your room setup....
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cradeldorf
Adjust-O-Port, Ok It has a pivot screw at the top inside the cabinet. This is where they sound best. all the way closed and the mids are louder but the bass drops off, Wide open its a little to bassy and the mids aren't as loud, but right here it's a perfect harmony of the two. The mids came up and the bass came into perfect tune not too boomy not non existent. Glad I did it because now I know what it means to Tune a port. I think....:o That's still with the Bass knob all the way up on the HK and the sub off. :/
Looks like a nice adjustable design to partially cover the port--you didn't waste any time either.... Personally, I probably would have tried tuning them without having the bass knob all the way up to see if it's possible to find a tuning that sounds great that doesn't require the bass tone control knob to be set at maximum. But that's the nice thing about audio--you set it up for how it sounds best in your room/acoustics with your system and personal taste and there really is no wrong answer since your goal is achieving what sounds best to you......
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valhallax
being limited to a bass knob, or a loudness button wont get the detailed imaging possibble with your setup. it appears that the 604's in your enclosures will provide enough bass for you.. so then your system would respond greatly to nice equalizer. i prefer a 31 band eq tuned with a real time analyzer, with my 'knobs' on the stereo turned to zero gain. allways cut first, then boost.
Yes, a nice equalizer does give you great flexibility. I'm using a 1/3 octave Alesis MEQ 230 in one of my home systems now (stereo 30 band eq--hence the name --"two" 30's). It's an incredibly clean and quiet equalizer (currently my favorite equalizer in the house--even though it's not a parametric--it has the "right" bands right where my 19's "need" them) and I couldn't be happier with it even though the Model 19's sound so good I'm hardly using any of the bands for each channel. However, I've owned a system before where I added just a little bass and some treble with the tone controls on the amp and it just happened to sound amazing with a boost at those frequencies (as random as that seems)--so never had the need/desire for an equalizer with that system. I guess it still comes back to whatever sounds best for you....
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
Hi guy's sorry I haven't been around just been really busy although I did find time to put some shelves into my cabinets. I now have enough bass to the point where I can turn down the bass on the amp. they're really starting to sound good now. I did put polyfil onto the shelf after I took this pic. Also I added some 1 1/2 high feet on the front of the cabs so they tilt back and point the speaker right at you.. I took out the adjustable ports since it sounded best with them wide open.
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
Took the shelves out today and built some new ports. The SPL is way up now, The mids and Lows are kinda drowning out the highs now but they really shake the house.
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
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cradeldorf
Took the shelves out today
But where will you store your canned goods and peanut butter now? Sorry, couldn't resist...
Re: 604's are back they sound great.
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cradeldorf
Took the shelves out today and built some new ports. The SPL is way up now, The mids and Lows are kinda drowning out the highs now but they really shake the house.
Wow! You've been busy with those cabs. From the photos--it looks like nice work(manship). Where did you get the design/dimensions for the new ports? If the lows are drowning out the highs now, have you tried turning the bass tone control on your receiver down even further towards flat (or partially blocking the new ports)?